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    Wordpress vs Joomla

    Wordpress VS Joomla

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    PHPNUKE? It's 'dead' already..

    kalau nak betul2 web2.0, hanya wordpress. (saya juga membicarakan theme free web2.0nya yang banyak! termasuk penggunaan Ajax!)

    joomla tak layak untuk web 2.0 (sorry joomla fan, it's the truth) sebab coding theme dia dan overall masih guna TABLE code, bukan div code . (code lebih cantik, bersih dan JIMAT serta wc3 standard lebih tinggi, juga punyai effect besar pada load efficiency speed).

    Jika anda masih menganggap wordpress hanya untuk blog anda dah silap besar. Dan! jika anda menganggap hanya joomla menguasai CMS, anda juga lebih silap besar.

    Apa-apa pun, anda boleh mencuba Drupal:
    drupal.org | Community plumbing

    ianya jauh lebih baik dari joomla.
    Last edited by mysticmind; 26-08-2008 at 11:14 AM. Reason: Splitted from others thread

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    Quote Originally Posted by mysticmind View Post
    kalau nak betul2 2.0, hanya wordpress.
    joomla tak layak untuk web 2.0 sebab coding theme dia dan overall masih guna TABLE code, bukan div code . (doe lebih cantik dan bersih serta wc3 standard lebih tinggi, juga punyai effect besar pada load efficiency speed).

    Jika anda masih menganggap wordpress hanya untuk blog anda dah silap besar. Dan! jika anda menganggap hanya joomla menguasai CMS, anda juga lebih silap besar.

    Apa-apa pun, anda boleh mencuba Drupal:
    drupal.org | Community plumbing

    ianya jauh lebih baik dari joomla.
    Salah satu hobi saya ialah mereka wordpress theme.
    Tak pernah pakai table(td,tr,tbody,etc) sebab ia website yang pakai kod itu lambat dimuatkan(loading).

    Pasal struktur kod asas wordpress memang dah master...
    Memang boleh buat macam-macam.
    Batasnya cuma kreativiti.

    Tapi masih ada batas juga.
    Ianya kurang sesuai untuk membina laman web rangkaian sosial.

    Joomla pernah cuba.
    Amat tidak mesra pengguna.
    Kod module dan theme Joomla juga agak susah untuk orang "tidak pandai" macam saya ni.

    Drupal?
    Sedengar-dengar saya, drupal itu adalah "derivative" dari Joomla.
    Betul kah?

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    joomla can be coded to be tableless / divs = web 2.0 standard

    if you are a template coder for joomla, ther eis an option of how you want to output your modules,

    There are five kind of outputs = horizontal, 0 = normal, -1 = raw, -2 = XHTML and -3 = extra divs.

    Jooml is ready for 2.0 long long time ago.


    And I think any software that uses patTepmplate php class, is qualified to be web2.0

    Most if not all the joomla templates now are using all divs insead of tables. All are web 2.0 ready

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    Quote Originally Posted by notiboy View Post
    joomla can be coded to be tableless / divs = web 2.0 standard

    if you are a template coder for joomla, ther eis an option of how you want to output your modules,

    There are five kind of outputs = horizontal, 0 = normal, -1 = raw, -2 = XHTML and -3 = extra divs.

    Jooml is ready for 2.0 long long time ago.


    And I think any software that uses patTepmplate php class, is qualified to be web2.0

    Most if not all the joomla templates now are using all divs insead of tables. All are web 2.0 ready
    Uh?
    What is output=horizontal, 0 =normal?

    Sorry, I'm really not familiar with Joomla coding...

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    oh don worry about the codes..

    Those are just flags in the code on how you want to output your template.

    the options there lets you output it in either tables, divs, extra divs or raw

    pretty hard for me to explain ahha,

    Joomla is more of advance stuffs in there, wordpress is easier to learn and master.

    Drupal is coming up , but not that mature yet in the sense of plugins and stuffs like that, the community supporting it is not as huge as joomla yet

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    Quote Originally Posted by notiboy View Post
    oh don worry about the codes..

    Those are just flags in the code on how you want to output your template.

    the options there lets you output it in either tables, divs, extra divs or raw

    pretty hard for me to explain ahha,

    Joomla is more of advance stuffs in there, wordpress is easier to learn and master.

    Drupal is coming up , but not that mature yet in the sense of plugins and stuffs like that, the community supporting it is not as huge as joomla yet
    Hmm...
    What I learn from statistic, Joomla have the highest search in the internet, but myself never try it...

    Maybe I'll try this on next project.

    Thanks...
    Where's your blog?

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    Quote Originally Posted by notiboy View Post
    oh don worry about the codes..
    Those are just flags in the code on how you want to output your template.
    the options there lets you output it in either tables, divs, extra divs or rawpretty hard for me to explain ahha,
    Joomla is more of advance stuffs in there, wordpress is easier to learn and master.
    Drupal is coming up , but not that mature yet in the sense of plugins and stuffs like that, the community supporting it is not as huge as joomla yet
    Even that simple thing also hard for you to clarify. And i still had no idea what is the thing you wanted to tell us.

    Now if we were talking about joomla 'too complicated' administrator panel, i think you'll take a whole day to explain for a user/client!. (experienced before by myself)

    Many of Joomla fan, they do not know much in Php coding. css coding and.. they just love it because they used it (and maybe that was the first CMS they ever used). yes.. that's the wrong thing too..

    I'ved tested and use many kind of scripts.. even once, i have done my own simple cms scripts (yes. I know it sucks). (but now, i think my php coding skill decrease near to 5% only - no time to code..dont want to pening so much).

    After all, joomla standard template still not fully css + div. And their so called 'modules' is another sickness.. using the 'modules' name itself was used earlier from sicko 'phpnuke!'.

    I wont tell another story about SEO. Search ANY GENERAL KEYWORDS on major search engine.. LET SEE IF ANY JOOMLA site listed at the first page. (but i bet, there's plenty of WP powered site indeed!)

    WANNA PROOF? I dare to challenge Joomlah diehard overated fan outside there!. Take his for example:

    webmaster malaysia - Google Search

    See? 7 out of 10 are WP.. none is joomla! I repeat! NONE JOOMLA there! Well... unless you wanna use 'Webmaster Malaysia Joomla'. Of course lah.. aiyah!

    I maybe sound RUDE here, but I'm just to be honest... and factual. Somehow.. i just think.. Joomla are 'overated'.
    Last edited by mysticmind; 25-08-2008 at 05:46 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mysticmind View Post
    Even that simple thing also hard for you to clarify. And i still had no idea what is the thing you wanted to tell us.

    Now if we were talking about joomla 'too complicated' administrator panel, i think you'll take a whole day to explain for a user/client!. (experienced before by myself)

    Many of Joomla fan, they do not know much in Php coding. css coding and.. they just love it because they used it (and maybe that was the first CMS they ever used). yes.. that's the wrong thing too..

    I'ved tested and use many kind of scripts.. even once, i have done my own simple cms scripts (yes. I know it sucks). (but now, i think my php coding skill decrease near to 5% only - no time to code..dont want to pening so much).

    After all, joomla standard template still not fully css + div. And their so called 'modules' is another sickness.. using the 'modules' name itself was used earlier from sicko 'phpnuke!'.

    I wont tell another story about SEO. Search ANY GENERAL KEYWORDS on major search engine.. LET SEE IF ANY JOOMLA site listed at the first page. (but i bet, there's plenty of WP powered site indeed!)

    WANNA PROOF? I dare to challenge Joomlah diehard overated fan outside there!. Take his for example:

    webmaster malaysia - Google Search

    See? 7 out of 10 are WP.. none is joomla! I repeat! NONE JOOMLA there! Well... unless you wanna use 'Webmaster Malaysia Joomla'. Of course lah.. aiyah!

    I maybe sound RUDE here, but I'm just to be honest... and factual. Somehow.. i just think.. Joomla are 'overated'.
    Well, I'm totally agree with you bro...
    Hmm...
    WordPress is still the best, friendly user and friendly developer(easy to learn the coding - especially from the official wordpress codex)

    About SEO...
    Yeah... They are high optimized. Even without any SEO plug in.

    Joomla... Really can support them.
    Make it more worst...
    The open source community of Joomla always "share" the module(My understanding as plug in?) with some $$$...

    I've just try it after notiboy suggest...

    Make a headache even for average blogger like me(Mean I'm not newbie la)....

    Fuh...

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    No heart feeling everyone.

    "Berbeza pendapat adalah teman berfikir yang baik".

    Apa2 pun, for the time being... saya secara peribadinya menggalakkan wordpress dan menjauhkan joomla. Bukan 'biased' membuta tuli. Tapi ini berdasarkan pengalaman saya semuanya.

    Satu masa nanti.. mungkin juga wordpress akan jatuh, kita tidak tahu masa akan datang.

    Satu masa nanti, mungkin ada yang jauh lebih baik dari wordpress.

    Satu masa nanti mungkin ditakdirkan joomla di takeover oleh someone else dan di re-code semula menjadikannya lebih baik.

    Sebagaimana satu masa dulu, saya punyai pilihan cuma Phpnuke, b2b, postnuke. Manakala forum pada masa itu yang paling hebat cuma XMB. Kemudian wujud phpbb.. kemudian wujud Invision board yang lebih bagus..

    Kemudian invision board menjadi berbayar, dan saya beralih kepada Simple Machine (SMF) tapi tidak sekali2 kembali kepada phpbb yang masih terlalu banyak kelemahannya.

    Jadi... buatlah pemerhatian bukan kerana 'minat' tapi kajian yang jauh lebih dalam dan search lah merata2 di google.. anda pasti akan dapati.. wordpress adalah yang terbaik! (buat masa ini). Elakkan joomla (kecuali nak belajar dan research atau kalau tak percaya apa saya kata).. dan tak perlulah anda takut kepada fully CSS coding.. sebab Matt of Wordpress said:

    " Code is Poetry "


    *** Drupal totally div theme jugak.
    Last edited by mysticmind; 25-08-2008 at 07:38 PM.

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    hahah... woo.. guys.. dont get oo fired up ...

    Joomla and WP has their difference...

    I'm a software programmer, I'm told to build and modify things..

    I've been using almost all CMS and scripts around. I've been there since mambo, phpnuke .. balblabal..

    The architecture is different between Joomla and WP ..

    And yes, WP will have higher SEO ranks compared to Joomla, why ? It is because of its architecture.

    If you go in deep to the core codes, you will know why. It is also how Joomla and WP spits out its contents and rewrite the urls..

    for bloggers, ofcoz WP is much much better, Joomla is not meant to be a blog engine, its a business portal with lots of components.

    Yes Joomla components and modules sometimes sux, if you choose properly , they will work like angel and if you know how to modify them, its brilliant.

    Templating vise, Joomla is just as flexible as WP, i know why u are saying Joomla templating sux, its because of the modules as well, again, if you can choose the right module or hack in that.

    If you say Joomla template architecture sux, I dont agree. I've converted a FULLY remote flash website, with shopping cart, media streaming into JOOMLA... Believe it or not, all the flash animations remains, I just made joomla intergrated into the flash site.

    I'm not supporting joomla or a joomla fan here, i like WP too. Its just as a developer's point of view, Joomla's architecture is what beats the rest, I'm not talking about its appearance and such, i'm saying what it can be do , what it can be extended to do. Joomla's platform can be extended to do many things. Most of it business point of view.

    I've made websites for government system, huge financial institution with joomla. Not joomla alone but , Joomla intergrating with CRM, ERP systems. Web services.

    Lol, I can talk whole day explaining things.

    SEO in joomla is a different topic, and there is way to tweak it and also reason why SEO in Joomla sux.

    If you studies SEO, you will know that search engines LOVES blog sites and forums.

    If you have built components and plugins for both WP and Joomla, you wil notice that Joomla got an advantage, why? because Joomla got many many other components, which they can talk to each other.

    For example, a gallery component, community component, shop component, forum component, you can bring them all togheter...

    hmmph... this topic gonna be way off topic now ahhah..

    I dint mean to start this flame war here, what i did was just suggesting..

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    oh by the way

    Google "wordpress vs joomla"

    "Wordpress might ebt he best blogging tool

    Joomla is powerful, but its a beast. If you can tame it, you got power at your fingertip. If not, it will be destructive and take a lot of time and our effort.

    In the other hand, like Sham said, Joomla has a very strong and big community. Even the Malaysian Joomla section is very active."

    Wordpress v.s. Joomla - Popularity Contest MoneyClicking

    Joomla Vs Wordpress

    Wordpress Vs Joomla as a CMS | Make Money Blogging

    you will see that its like 2 differnt thing for different purposes.

    WordPress Vs. Joomla! — Goodbye Helicopter

    Why you want to use Joomla instead of Wordpress

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    hahah... woo.. guys.. dont get oo fired up ...
    No.. we don't fire up. as I said, "Berbeza pendapat adalah teman berfikir yang baik". <-- see im smiling and ...

    And where there come such arguements, it getting hotter and better.. That's it. As long as under control without 'too much' emotion, and factual points it's a good thing... For other to read and for ourself to understand more and more.

    And yes, WP will have higher SEO ranks compared to Joomla, why ? It is because of its architecture.If you go in deep to the core codes, you will know why. It is also how Joomla and WP spits out its contents and rewrite the urls..
    Yes.. couldn't agree more, Many of 'standard' GOOD elements already in WP, but in joomla, i was tried before a rewrite url, it help nothing!.. And to get a better and prettier URL, i must get another plugin/modules.. and if i not mistake.. I must pay for it. (But in WP, its absolutely FREE and just there!).


    SEO in joomla is a different topic, and there is way to tweak it and also reason why SEO in Joomla sux. If you studies SEO, you will know that search engines LOVES blog sites and forums.
    Why we need to tweak so much? why must we do all this crapping technical things? BTW, it's not only about search engine love blog as many mention earlier.. it must be reason behind all of this.

    Tagging and Pingging was a thing to make WP post 'exploding everywhere' and surely fast crawled by the SE bots. Joomla don't ever had such option. (Im not sure the latest version on)

    If you have built components and plugins for both WP and Joomla, you wil notice that Joomla got an advantage, why? because Joomla got many many other components, which they can talk to each other. For example, a gallery component, community component, shop component, forum component, you can bring them all togheter...
    Again.. all those thing already build(plugin) for Wordpress! And most are FREE INDEED!. Well some of the premium one need to pay too.. but many more free one. But i think.. in joomla, not like that. Just install the plugin that you really want too..

    The other thing is, joomla template remain the same oldies as 'Phpnuke', 3 column left and right.. well i known, you can make it different but most of it 'REMAIN IN BLOCKS'.

    The table use theme lacks of SEO friendly.. They do not maximized usage of H1 H2 H3 etc etc + which come to load first parag (S.E detection technical). Arranging load parag order.. Joomla standard will load 'A TOP MENU' first.. that i noticed. Sometime it load IMAGE HEADER first.

    But in WP, (let say about default theme).. It will load Title and Description, then 1st new post. Even such a simple thing done in wp back years ago...

    So peoples who read this.. you all can consider by yourself.. dont be too fanatic with Joomla (and wp too), but install in your localhost first.. try install all plugins/modules (gallery, pool, auctions, shopping cart etc) and make a comparison by yourself.. i do believe, 70% most of you will agree with me.

    And Notiboy.. Good debate we has here. Congrats.
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    Quote Originally Posted by notiboy View Post
    oh by the way

    Google "wordpress vs joomla"
    ...
    selective result?

    see this :
    wordpress vs joomla - Google Search

    Now tell me.. where the 'h' is joomla site listed there?
    So.. for me... that such a REALLY-REALLY-REALLY BAD THING.

    What is the meaning of making a web without better reach and found by the Search engine?
    *when I enjoy hundreds if not thousands visitor from search engine to my site... and you got nothing! such a waste and poor thing right?

    "Because you love it" you dont have to die for it!.
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    Quote Originally Posted by notiboy View Post
    oh by the way

    Google "wordpress vs joomla"

    "Wordpress might ebt he best blogging tool

    Joomla is powerful, but its a beast. If you can tame it, you got power at your fingertip. If not, it will be destructive and take a lot of time and our effort.

    In the other hand, like Sham said, Joomla has a very strong and big community. Even the Malaysian Joomla section is very active."

    Wordpress v.s. Joomla - Popularity Contest MoneyClicking

    Joomla Vs Wordpress

    Wordpress Vs Joomla as a CMS | Make Money Blogging

    you will see that its like 2 differnt thing for different purposes.

    WordPress Vs. Joomla! Goodbye Helicopter

    Why you want to use Joomla instead of Wordpress
    Thanks for the idea, I'm not a developer.
    I'm just a user with some plain php knowledge.

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    HAHAa... yea.. good debate... makes ppl know more

    Quote Originally Posted by mysticmind View Post
    Yes.. couldn't agree more, Many of 'standard' GOOD elements already in WP, but in joomla, i was tried before a rewrite url, it help nothing!.. And to get a better and prettier URL, i must get another plugin/modules.. and if i not mistake.. I must pay for it. (But in WP, its absolutely FREE and just there!).
    Nope, the best 1 is use is free And it is very customizable

    Quote Originally Posted by mysticmind View Post
    Why we need to tweak so much? why must we do all this crapping technical things? BTW, it's not only about search engine love blog as many mention earlier.. it must be reason behind all of this.

    Tagging and Pingging was a thing to make WP post 'exploding everywhere' and surely fast crawled by the SE bots. Joomla don't ever had such option. (Im not sure the latest version on)
    Lol, if you want something just out of the box. yes Wordpress.. Just like a Mac vs a PC As I said, if you know how to tame the Joomla beast, its very fierce Thats the learning curve comparison, dont learn much with WP. Joomla's architecture is made to be simple and expandable, thats why they code it that way. They dint wanna throw so much stuff in there, you can just extend it with their extensions (the community)

    For open source stuff, the biger the community the better in terms of support blablabl....

    Quote Originally Posted by mysticmind View Post
    Again.. all those thing already build(plugin) for Wordpress! And most are FREE INDEED!. Well some of the premium one need to pay too.. but many more free one. But i think.. in joomla, not like that. Just install the plugin that you really want too..
    Most of them are free. Tell me what you want , i will get you 1 hahah

    Quote Originally Posted by mysticmind View Post
    The other thing is, joomla template remain the same oldies as 'Phpnuke', 3 column left and right.. well i known, you can make it different but most of it 'REMAIN IN BLOCKS'.
    Please dont look at the standard joomla template, look at the ones like in Joomla Templates - RocketTheme Joomla Templates Club Demo Site Joomla Templates - GavickPro Joomla Templates Club Demo Site JoomlArt.com - Joomla/Mambo Professional Templates - Templates Demo

    Module positions are up to you to decide. very very flexible

    Quote Originally Posted by mysticmind View Post
    The table use theme lacks of SEO friendly.. They do not maximized usage of H1 H2 H3 etc etc + which come to load first parag (S.E detection technical). Arranging load parag order.. Joomla standard will load 'A TOP MENU' first.. that i noticed. Sometime it load IMAGE HEADER first.

    But in WP, (let say about default theme).. It will load Title and Description, then 1st new post. Even such a simple thing done in wp back years ago...
    Again, there is no standard being on top. All this is customizable by the template's css file. Also if you have passed' the learning curve of Joomla, all this is just peanuts to adjust. It might not be out of the box


    Cheers ...lol, dont get me started on what you can do with Joomla and what you cant do with WP

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