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    And when you first started, maybe at that time you had servers with say 40GB or 80GB disks. Were you plans smaller at that time, eg 50MB or 100MB space? If so, why at that time did you not offer 20GB or 40GB plans? After all users at that time also probably used less than 1% of such large space offerings. In fact, I would think users use more space these days than those days.
    This question sounds funny to me. If you were talking about the "Old Time" where everyone still running 28.8kbps dialup, yes that time the HDD we used were like 80GB - 160GB, and if I remembered correctly, the disk space is 50MB - 100MB up to 500MB.

    Things, peoples and technologies keep evolving, so does business. If I offered 300GB that time, that will really sounds ridiculous where the max HDD is 160GB.

    Now with 1TB HDD, offering 300GB doesn't sounds anything.

    Who shall we blame for this "Overselling"?
    Ask Google, the first one who started to offer 5GB of Free Mailbox.

    Why don't we say them over selling?
    5millions mailboxes x 5GB each? How many "Exabytes" of storage required if is purely without "overselling"?

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    Anyway, the last few replies already out of topic. I guess we shall just stop here.

    No offence to mylinear, iCalvyn, fivio and others. Just sharing my business thaughts.

    I think we web hosts, resellers and web hosting clients need to gather more, communicate more, more teh tarik session ... etc.


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    No offence to you too ksstudio. Thank you for your replies. It would be good if you could participate more on the forums and share your thoughts and business experiences. Don't just come when there is a thread about Exabytes. I'm sure we can all learn from each other by sharing different view points.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mylinear View Post
    No offence to you too ksstudio. Thank you for your replies. It would be good if you could participate more on the forums and share your thoughts and business experiences. Don't just come when there is a thread about Exabytes. I'm sure we can all learn from each other by sharing different view points.
    Surething.

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    Hello,

    Whau, just left to Kelantan for few weeks and the post is long

    HDD Capacity is increase but still have limitation on AUP and CPU Limit.
    So, newbies normally trapped in this scenario.

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    Is there any need to suspend a web on shared hosting these days? If MySQL is being overloaded, you can set resource limits on a per-user basis. I think Calvyn's webhost was using Apache, if I remember correctly - that also has plenty of resource limits built in.

    I guess it is possible for a webhost to setup shared hosting so lamely that there's no way for them to resource limit an over-active web, but it seems a bit harsh to suspend a user for what is essentially admin inadequacy.

    As ever though, the final word is your contract. If it says "use a bit more and you're dead", then there's nobody to cry to except your parents when it happens.

    Maybe the upshot of this thread should be Read The AUP! I would have thought a webhost existed somewhere that would just enforce the limits in the AUP through configuration, so that your site would just return an HTTP 502 when the overload happens, or just timeout, but some visitors would still get pages until the overload reduced or the limits were lifted.

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    Hello,

    The concept of shared is sharing the resources but do not HOG it.

    If you set certain amount to MYSQL limit per user, this is abrupt the community growth (every hour have apache error) which will not bring benefit to the users.

    In 100 users per server, only 5 users are heavy duty, 10 only mid and the rest are almost idle.

    Thus, the concept of SHARED occur because heavy duty users can BORROW the resources of idle users. But this concept has been misused by OVERSELLING it

    For any webhoster, an idle client (companies website) is better than active customers (forum) at the same price. But there are few advantage to host these active websites

    Overselling also plays with customers purchasing power
    100GB for RM 300@year ... talk about purchasing power we have here comapred to normal hosting. It is a marketing strategy that proved to be successful (Bluhost, ipowerweb, dreamhost, etc).

    However, this strategy attracts ALL KIND of consumer as these companies just pull out customers from market pie to their basket. SPAMMERS, Script Kiddies, etc.

    But different company have different niche market. I respected other webhoster policies and strategy as long as it is legal

    But this forum is open for discuss and opinion, thus I chip in my thought.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fivio View Post
    Hello,

    The concept of shared is sharing the resources but do not HOG it.
    Yeah, sure, what I was thinking of with the resource constraints is applying them to hogs. You can set the constraints on all users to be enormous by default, and lower them for 'problem users'. If the constraints are set anywhere near the terms of the AUP, then the user can never 'get what he paid for', because he cannot get back the resources he didn't use when his site is idle.

    I think this is what webhosts who advertise "limit" and "bursts" in their deals are doing. If you're sharing 100Mbit and your plan says 1Mbit, you can 'burst' up to 4Mbit (the resource constraint). That gives an admin time to check your resource usage and see if you're hogging, without impacting too severely on the other sites hosted. If you are hogging, then they can drop your constraint down to 1Mbit. 25% of your peak visitors still see your site while you haggle over raised limits.

    Like you said, an error every hour isn't good, but it's better than an email saying "Oh yeah, your site has been offline since Friday. Soz: AUP" isn't it? A question of strategy, I guess. Maybe "limit and burst" might be too unattractive for a lot of customers, compared to "a lot*, all the time! *AUP".

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    30.x server load -- that's something wrong. if it's caused by your website, it got to be some kind of apache attack or some high amount of traffic since server load are showing too many httpd. That will affect other users on the shared server.

    Malaysia web host are facing many challenges now such as limited server colo rental & expensive bandwidth prices. Shared hosting are shared enviroment means to lower down web hosting costs. But if your website has very high traffic and consume large resources, they'll have to urge you to take dedicated resources (semi-dedicated shared host/vps/dedicated server)
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    this topic thread are really helpful..

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    It would also be nice if there was an email notification as a heads up too.

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