Thread: Top 10 Positions - My Speciality

Originally Posted by jawa

I thought you know about wordtracker, cause you know about seo.

Use wordtracker to get all keyword that people are searching in search engine that related to your site. Don't target one keyword only. Target all keyword that related to your site and optimized it. Let say your site about wallpaper you can find related keyword in wordtracker about wallpaper. Here are the list I got from wordtracker.

wallpaper 14,624.0/day
free wallpaper 5,083.0 /day
wallpapers 5,053.0 /day
computer wallpaper 4,371.0 /day
desktop wallpaper 4,081.0 /day
free desktop wallpaper 4,077.0 /day
sexy wallpaper 1,908.0 /day
anime wallpaper 1,823.0 /day
cool wallpapers 1,506.0 /day
star wars wallpaper 1,476.0 /day
3d wallpaper 1,409.0 /day
anime wallpapers 1,406.0 /day
free wallpapers 1,293.0 /day
sexy wallpapers 1,253.0 /day
wallpaper borders 1,068.0 /day

You see, instead of targetting for "vista wallpaper", you can optimized for "free wallpaper" or "computer wallpaper" that got search more than 4000 searching per day. If your optimized for it and get top ranking, your traffic will boost more than 1000 unique visitors per day.

Keyword research is important. Wrong keyword, your site is doom...

I know about wordtracker - it's a paid service that's why I asked you how much did you pay.

You've got the wrong strategy my friend - specialize and not generalize.

I found a niche in "vista wallpaper" that's why I optimized my site for it. Of course those other keywords are great but all the other wallpaper websites are also optimized for those keywords. What makes you think that a 1mth old website has a chance against them?!

If your site is optimized for "google" keyword, do you think you can show on top of google.com in search engine results?

And by the way "google" has 31,896,168 OVT so might as well optimize your site for that

You done the wrong way, only specialized for one particular keyword. Using the wordtracker is to find what another keyword that related to your site so that you can bring more traffic to your site. More traffic more income. Don't limit your traffic. That's why wordtracker exist.

In doing seo, do not afraid of the competition. Competition is good. We build site for long term. First we target MSN, than Yahoo and for the long term is Google. If you can optimized lots of keyword and get top ranking in search engine, you can get more traffic from that.

What happen if all wallpaper website now targetting the same keyword with your site, all site that has high PR, your ranking will go down. Doing seo, you need to target a lot of keywords. One keyword going down in ranking, you got another keyword to support it.

If "vista wallpaper" keyword bring 60 unique visitors per day, why not target more keywords that can bring additional 60 unique visitors and another...

Choosing small niche is good, but traffic you must consider also. If you want to earn more income from adsense, traffic play a vital role. More traffic, more income..that's the way...

Agreed with jawa, more keyword = more traffic. Since the vista wallpaper website is new, don't forget the sandbox effect in google. Besides that, any established wallpaper site with high PR can just create a vista wallpaper category in their existing website and easily knock any newcomer site down.

Originally Posted by alvinhan

Agreed with jawa, more keyword = more traffic. Since the vista wallpaper website is new, don't forget the sandbox effect in google. Besides that, any established wallpaper site with high PR can just create a vista wallpaper category in their existing website and easily knock any newcomer site down.

So if the high other PR sites already use those other wallpaper keywords (which they do), won't they still beat you? Fyi, I started with those keyowrds After realizing that I could not get the traffic, I specialized - that's why I'm having far more traffic from SEs now.

Like I mentioned in my example before, using a "popular" keywords mean more competition and thus you usually don't do well.

Saw my analysis of your website? How can a website with only 9 PR0 backlinks beat yours at "seo malaysia"? Because yours is too general and have poor keyword density.

Originally Posted by tolkein

So if the high other PR sites already use those other wallpaper keywords (which they do), won't they still beat you? Fyi, I started with those keyowrds After realizing that I could not get the traffic, I specialized - that's why I'm having far more traffic from SEs now.

Like I mentioned in my example before, using a "popular" keywords mean more competition and thus you usually don't do well.

Saw my analysis of your website? How can a website with only 9 PR0 backlinks beat yours at "seo malaysia"? Because yours is too general and have poor keyword density.

I eventually just posting with suggestion, and decide to skip your comment on my site as not to hijack this thread. Still I wouldn't really want to hijack this thread, just a quick reply that my site do not just target for 'malaysia seo' or 'seo malaysia'. I target many other more competitive keyword that related to the business.

Obviously, it's not easy to target those competitive keyword, competing with those high PR website, but if you want more traffic, you still need to compete.

Originally Posted by alvinhan

I target many other more competitive keyword that related to the business.

Obviously, it's not easy to target those competitive keyword, competing with those high PR website, but if you want more traffic, you still need to compete.

So what are your rankings on Google/MSN/Yahoo for "seo" or "search engine optimization"?

See what I mean? Very popular keywords but so what?! It's because they're popular that's why it's too competitve and you appear NOWHERE even with 19,000 backlinks and PR5.

Specialize - find a niche! The "few" people that find out about your good service will start recommending you on their websites, blogs, forums, etc., i.e. higher traffic eventually.

Originally Posted by tolkein

So what are your rankings on Google/MSN/Yahoo for "seo" or "search engine optimization"?

See what I mean? Very popular keywords but so what?! It's because they're popular that's why it's too competitve and you appear NOWHERE even with 19,000 backlinks and PR5.

Specialize - find a niche! The "few" people that find out about your good service will start recommending you on their websites, blogs, forums, etc., i.e. higher traffic eventually.

I am getting tired, when I first posting with suggestion to search for local SEO consultant through major search engines, you come in making analyzation on the site that I am working on. Then when I mentioned the site also target for other competitive keywords related to the business, you assume the other keyword is 'seo' & 'search engines optimization' and not any other even more competitive keywords that the site is ranking top. Please, as I mentioned earlier that I don't mean to hijack this thread, guess this is my reply to this thread about the site that I am working on.

As regarding targeting niche area, optimizing your site for non competitive keywords, this is always one of the way to get traffic. I do know someone who prefer to do mini site, target only very niche market traffic. But one might need lot of mini site for success. It's simply isn't wise for a real SEO professional that can only work on non competitive keywords and do not compete further. I always treat SEO as a challenge.

Originally Posted by alvinhan

I am getting tired, when I first posting with suggestion to search for local SEO consultant through major search engines, you come in making analyzation on the site that I am working on. Then when I mentioned the site also target for other competitive keywords related to the business, you assume the other keyword is 'seo' & 'search engines optimization' and not any other even more competitive keywords that the site is ranking top. Please, as I mentioned earlier that I don't mean to hijack this thread, guess this is my reply to this thread about the site that I am working on.

As regarding targeting niche area, optimizing your site for non competitive keywords, this is always one of the way to get traffic. I do know someone who prefer to do mini site, target only very niche market traffic. But one might need lot of mini site for success. It's simply isn't wise for a real SEO professional that can only work on non competitive keywords and do not compete further. I always treat SEO as a challenge.

I think a lot of forummers will find this thread very useful.

If you target highly popular keywords, you won't fare very well unless you have tonnes of backlinks (seochat.com has 411,000 FYI). In your case, you'll probably need to have very good, free SEO tools to attract that kind of links.

I optimize my site for "vista wallpaper" just so that I can rank higher on search engines and QUICKER. But my site has more than vista wallpapers - it has wallpapers like what other sites have.

So when the visitors come in and realize that (also the free email, toolbar and postcard facility), they will stay and even recommend other friends.

What's the point of a popular keyword when you know you're never going to rank well?!

Since you're the expert, please share with us what popular (global) SEO keywords is your site optimized for and what are your rankings for those keywords?

Ha ha... this thread is interesting....

What alvinhan want to tell you is to target more keywords, so that you can bring more traffic. We know that other website has optimized for most the keyword and competition is high is not mean we can target that keyword also.

Someday, you also will get top ranking for that keyword...it's need time. A lot of quality links and right anchor text..

Why you should attack him on his website, whether his site is good on seo or not. Maybe he targetting another keywords, who knows.

We only suggested to you to target more keywords...but it seem you are angry with that..

This forum is to help people not to start a war..

If you think you cannot accept people opinions..than don't join any forum...

because forum is where people learn, exchange ideas and getting help, not to attack other people....

ps: I wonder why you put this keyword spam below your site : windows vista wallpaper, vista wallpaper, windows vista wallpapers, vista wallpapers, free vista desktop wallpaper, vista icon
vista icons, windows vista icons, vista theme, vista themes, windows vista temes, vista screensavers, microsoft windows vista, vista. hmmm....

Originally Posted by jawa

Ha ha... this thread is interesting....

What alvinhan want to tell you is to target more keywords, so that you can bring more traffic. We know that other website has optimized for most the keyword and competition is high is not mean we can target that keyword also.

Someday, you also will get top ranking for that keyword...it's need time. A lot of quality links and right anchor text..

Why you should attack him on his website, whether his site is good on seo or not. Maybe he targetting another keywords, who knows.

We only suggested to you to target more keywords...but it seem you are angry with that..

This forum is to help people not to start a war..

If you think you cannot accept people opinions..than don't join any forum...

because forum is where people learn, exchange ideas and getting help, not to attack other people....

ps: I wonder why you put this keyword spam below your site : windows vista wallpaper, vista wallpaper, windows vista wallpapers, vista wallpapers, free vista desktop wallpaper, vista icon
vista icons, windows vista icons, vista theme, vista themes, windows vista temes, vista screensavers, microsoft windows vista, vista. hmmm....

I agree. I'm on a lot of other forums - this isn't my first or only one

I'm not targetting his website but using it as an example ...like I use mine. I believe we learn better from real live examples.

Putting in too many keywords actually kills your site rather then create "more opportunities" - something I learnt the hard way from trial and error. That's why I say you have to find the niche instead of using ALL possible/popular keywords.

When you put in a lot of keywords, your site lacks the proper keyword density and search engines get confused. Take Alvin's site for example - he used more than 30 words (333 characters) for his meta keyword tag and that's killing his site in SEs. That's why he lost even to a site with only 9xPR0 backlinks. Sad isn't it?!

I'd suggest that anyone who's really interested in SEs go buy this book called "The Search" - you'll learn a lot about search engines including history, companies and mechanics.

The words at the bottom of the page are to help with the keyword density because my site is mostly pictures and uses dynamic pages. There are some more hidden text which you cannot see because it's the same color as the background - it's called "blackhat SEO." Search for vista themes, icons or windows vista and you'll also see my site there

I don't claim to be an expert SEO because I'm only 1.5 months into the game. But I'm irritated when someone with a 3 year old website with tonnes of backlinks and PR5 claims to be an "expert" when he's having problems even competing for Malaysian rankings.

To opponents of my strategy, my 1+ month old wallpaper website was sold for RM3x,xxx last week

If you want to learn the step by step guide on how I did it, go here

LOL... very amusing thread & lots learnt too. Thank you both for sharing your experience.

Tolkein- any chance of sharing the URL of the site you sold? (if allowed)

Funny that you should dig up this old thread.

I hope Alvinhan and Jawa can learn something from what I tried to explain a year ago. Today, people are not just talking about Overture/Wordtracker estimates but also KEI (i.e. competitors).

Remember that the numbers should only be used in a relative sense to help you decide which keywords to target. If WordTracker shows 200 searches, it doesn't mean that there is ONLY 200 searches a month!

Btw, try searching for Windows Vista wallpapers, screensavers, themes or icons on Google and see if you find vistawallpaper.com there. And this is the data from extremetracking:
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FYI, the actual stats from Webalizer is usually much higher than this.

Of course I've learnt a lot more in the past 12 months, and have promoted and sold many more websites.