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    Lets use Open Source and Linux...

    Assalamualaikum

    To all webmaster here,
    I want to ask you about Linux.
    Do you like using Linux.

    Then, what type of distro that you use now.

    If you want to learn bout it,click the link below...

    Malaysia-opensource.blogspot.com

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    I love linux!

    I've got Xubuntu on my desktop, Slackware on my webserver, and just upgraded my application servers to OpenDNS - slamd64!

    You might know someone who uses Windows, that well-known typewriter emulator software, without paying for a licence. Linux is really free - and I send money to Open Source projects that I use a lot! Is that weird, or what?
    Last edited by Seanie; 04-04-2009 at 02:59 AM. Reason: Bad URL - why does it say 'OpenDNS'?

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    Saya guna Linux Mandriva One 2009 Dual boot dengan windows xp.

    Saya dah kumpul mandriva ubuntu opensuse, fedora, debian, knoppix, puppy, feather, damn small linux, dan beberapa OS lagi,

    Sapa nak sila contact saya.

    Malaysian Open Source Centre

    Atau laman international nie.

    Open Source Review

    Hehe...

    Terima kasih.

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    i just try to install centos in one of my empty machine.

    not really know how to use, just slowly try it out. still a lot problem face
    I blog IT Engineer LIFE at iCalvyn.com

    DreamNetwork If you don't mind Pirated

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    I hadn't considered CentOS before

    and now I read the wikipedia article about it:

    CentOS - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    I don't know why I would! I can't see a reason why it exists...

    There are differences between the distros. Linux is just one project that gets rolled up together with lots of other projects to make a distribution (like CentOS, Red Hat, Slackware, Ubuntu) - so there can be quite large differences between what you get from distribution to distribution.

    The thing that probably puts most new users off is (in my mind) one of the major benefits of Linux. In Windows, the graphical part (the desktop / windows / widgets) is part of the operating system. On a Linux system, the graphical part is a separate program. That's a feature for some people, but can be a bit scary for others, as the graphical part can work in a completely different way from one 'Linux' to the next! It's great for choice, but if you're the kind of user that struggles to find the 'knob' that starts your web browser when someone moves it, then maybe not ideal.

    If you want to try out Linux on a spare PC I'd recommend Ubuntu / Xubuntu / Kubuntu. Those distributions are probably more new-user friendly than some of the others. They look very different to each other because they have different 'window managers'. Xubuntu is lightweight - your old pentium will probably run it okay. Ubuntu and Kubuntu are more 'knobtastic'.

    The two stand-out features for me are freedom from most mal-ware (what's antivirus? Never used one!) and free applications. The 'Start' menu has a System->Add/Remove option where you can find office applications, drawing, 3d tools, games, CAD/CAM, development tools. Just click on anything you fancy, and it's automatically installed from the Internet from a trusted source. And all absolutely free - even when 'the man' sends the software piracy team to your office when he discovers you vote Opposition! Do you know how much that 'free' copy of Photoshop is going to cost you when the software piracy people find it?

    Business Software Alliance -

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    I have problem with my mandriva,

    I think, maybe ubuntu is more suitable with newbie like me...

    Mandriva is so complicated for me to understand

    What is rpm and tar, I cant install anything to the new os. I want to use opera in mandriva 2009 but i just cant install it. I donno what is the problem.

    I will try to use my ubuntu. Maybe it is more easy use.

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    rpm and tar

    I feel your pain! If you want to use Linux on your servers, installing software package-by-package is nice because you can see every little change. On the desktop, you just want it to work, and you want it to work right away! Ubuntu's update system is fantastic: you just click on the software you want, and it downloads it from the Internet, installs and configures it. You can just keep on working while it's doing too.

    You can try out most of the free Linux distros without installing them: you can burn a bootable CD. It works a treat, even if it is a bit slow loading applications, compared to a HDD install.

    Alternatively, if you have a fairly good PC, you might be able to run something like VirtualBox, and run the new distribution in a window on your existing desktop:

    VirtualBox - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Screenshots - VirtualBox

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    is Linux really that good.
    i prefer Windows, user friendly.
    May be that is what end user looking for I guess.

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    Lightbulb I find your lack of faith disturbing

    (just in case I'm showing my age, that's a quote from Star Wars - the first one, when somebody questions The Force, and Darth Vader magically chokes him)

    Is Linux that good?
    Here's a 2 year old video from YouTube: (there's an unexpected reward for watching to the end!)

    YouTube - WINDOWS VISTA AERO VS LINUX UBUNTU BERYL

    I like the music on this one!

    YouTube - Compiz Fusion on Ubuntu 8.10 Intrepid Ibex - Sphere Deformation

    I use my computer mostly for programming. I think my brain would bleed:

    YouTube - My Linux-Ubuntu 8.10 & Compiz

    Here are some user interface features from a year ago:

    YouTube - Compiz Fusion Development #2

    This looks nice! See Windows start on a face of the cube at 1:20

    YouTube - Linux Beauty

    So is linux good, or what?

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    And... perfect for playing Tremulous on

    Been a bit busy to play recently:

    YouTube - Tremulous Explode

    YouTube - Tremulous: Harder Better Faster Stronger

    There are better videos of Trem on YouTube, but I think the sounds of everybody firing, screaming and slashing all at once are what makes the game so great to play! Tremulous is Free, open source, available for Linux and Windows.

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    Huh...

    Actually I didnt understand the conversation above.

    What is actually rpm...If windows use .exe, are rpm is the executable files for linux.

    And for me. I choose Linux because it is free. And that is the only reason why I choose it. I dont like when Malaysian use Windows Pirate version. It is not nice.

    And I hope Brother Seanie can help me and users in this WM Forum to learn Linux.You are like a pro to me...I collect many Live CD, UBUNTU,Mandriva,SUSE, Fedora, knoppix,. Anybody interested can send me an email. I just want to say , use Ubuntu because it is the easiest way to learn Linux.

    Can anyone here suggest the most suitable distros for newbie like me.
    Thank you for reading this.

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    Actually I didnt understand the conversation above.
    I get that a lot.

    What is actually rpm...If windows use .exe, are rpm is the executable files for linux.
    the .rpm on the end of a file usually indicates that the file is an installable package, meant to be installed by some clever system that takes care of putting executables in the right place and doing all the necessary config. On unix systems, executables are usually called 'binaries', and you'll find them (mostly) in directories like /bin and /usr/bin, but where the binaries go can vary by quite a bit from one distribution to the next.

    An rpm may have no executable content at all - it could be (for example) configs to help the operating system recognise USB devices. Debian uses a .deb format, Slackware a .tgz, so you need the appropriate 'package manager' to be able to install the package. If you're using a modern distribution, you might never see the packages themselves. On Ubuntu you just click on something that says "Inkscape Vector Drawing Package - 5 stars!" in a menu on your desktop, and the package manager will take care of installing it from trusted sources on the Internet and setting it up ready for use.

    A distribution is a collection of projects into a usable system, so while Ubuntu, Debian, Mandrake, Slackware etc all use the linux kernel and GNU libraries, the pre-packaged applications and windowing system can vary quite a bit, as well as what directories everything goes in. You don't need to know any of this stuff unless you're interested, it's like the "Program Files" and "Windows" folders on win - you know kind of what they do, but don't tend to look in them much.

    The .exe on the end of executable names is a hangover from MS-DOS and older systems before that. I programmed on VAX/VMS a long time ago, and I'm sure that had PROGRAM.EXE on it. On unix, executable files often don't have any extension at all, like 'inkscape' for vector drawing and 'gimp' for editing images. Other files can be a bit more creative with extensions than on Windows, which can be a source of problems sometimes. I still occasionally get replies from people complaining they can't open a .jpeg file I emailed them, because Windows has munged the name to .jpe and doesn't know what kind of file that is.

    Linux tends to make more use of 'magic' to decide what type a file is - it looks at the first few bytes and does some pattern-matching. That's a half way between MS looking at the filename extension and the Mac storing type information in structured 'resources' inside the file. (Does OS/X do that? I know MacOS did, back in the 80s and 90s).

    If you want a good-looking, modern, standards-compliant, fully-loaded operating system to get some work done, I'd recommend Ubuntu (or Kubuntu or Xubuntu). If you want to learn linux... to be honest, I'd recommend finding an old early Pentium (just make sure it has plenty of memory - some things always increase!) and install Slackware on it. Slackware is quite a basic Linux distro, and you'll have to occasionally open files with a text editor while you're using it. It's fantastic as a toolkit, and I won't have anything else on my servers - it's very simple, very clean.

    I keep an old Pentium 233MHz / 192MB RAM / 5GB HDD with Slackware on it connected to my network as a standby - it runs Apache/PHP and MySQL a treat, and serves my 'down for maintenance' pages and external SSH access when I take my servers down. There are very long waits involved when running Firefox on it(!) but I usually just use command lines on it to change settings, edit text files and connect to other servers.

    And one last thing (too long already! Again!) if you were just curious about Ubuntu, you don't have to install it to try it out. You can burn a CD that will boot your PC into Ubuntu without touching the hard drive at all. You'll be able to open your files from your hard disk with Ubuntu applications to try them out. When you shutdown your PC and eject the CD, you'll be back to your original system.

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    Do anyone know how to use linux with VM machine????Any links?

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    how to use linux with VM machine
    Just download and install VirtualBox (you're using Windows, right?), then download a CD image (an ISO) of your favourite Linux distro (such as Ubuntu). Start VirtualBox and create a new VM for Ubuntu. Choose all the defaults. Before you start the new VM, mount the .ISO file you downloaded as the CDROM drive - there's an obvious option to allow you to do this.

    Start the VM, and it will boot from the ISO file on your PC as though it was a CD in a real CDROM drive. With Ubuntu, you can run Linux without installing it or install it to your (virtual) hard drive and then reboot. (your virtual machine)

    If you're running VirtualBox 'install to Hard Drive' installs it to a VIRTUAL HARD DRIVE and will NOT affect the rest of your system.

    If you burn the CD to a real CD, boot from it and 'install to Hard Drive' you will DESTROY ALL YOUR FILES!
    Last edited by Seanie; 11-04-2009 at 08:26 PM. Reason: Aiyah dying - what is the 'OpenDNS' instead of URLs about?

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    So...Macam mana saya nak install Opera web browser kat dalam Mandriva or Ubuntu saya.

    Saya nak guna Opera surf internet.

    I hope brother senie can help me with this ya.
    Thank you.

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