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    What about CSS & XHTML?

    I am suggesting that this forum should also provide an area that regards CSS & XHTML. This is rather crucial to be exact that it applies the web standards compliancy. For example, the type of mark-up language webmastermalaysia.com is using is XHTML 1.0. Written so at its source :
    HTML Code:
    <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd">
    But lets try validating this website at w3.org by clicking this link here. It clearly shows us that there are errors in the mark-up language and it's invalid.

    Bringing up this section of XHTML & CSS would help webmasters understand what web standards compliancy is all about. In another case, WYSIWYG is not WYSIWYG in different browsers because there can be bugs in IE or even other browsers like Mozilla and Safari. The outcome is different than what you see while designing in a WYSIWYG editor. But XHTML & CSS is about to break the barrier of this broken mark-up caused by internet browsers.

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    Debug

    forget the error..even microsoft.com has an error. The most important think..the website can be run smooth on cross-browser.
    Try and Support Malaysia Product.
    http://foto.home.net.my

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    Surely we cannot deny that most of the sites has error. In fact, those sites with errors outnumbered the sites that are not. What's more important is having the site compliant with the standards which most browsers are able to view the web as it should. It's not something that we expect to see getting a design nicely done in IE and it comes out retarded in Firefox.

    Sites that might enlighten the use of proper XHTML & CSS :
    CSS Zen Garden
    CSS Beauty

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    i agreed with shaq, web designer should stick to the w3c standards. if you code the xhtml and css right, the web pages will be displayed correctly on internet explorer 6 as well (even though it isn't fully compliant with the standards).

    [edit] the reason i mentioned IE here is most ppl who are used to coding based on IE worry their layout will look different in IE if they make their layout looks good in w3c compliant browsers such as mozilla. so yeah, what i wanna say is if u could get the coding right, it will display right not only in w3c compliant browsers, it will display right in IE as well.
    Last edited by red@frittle; 15-04-2005 at 09:08 AM.

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    standard mean = u're professional and mentioned about 'what is the best' .
    if u ignore it.. uh.. you're not good againlah!..

    W3c standard is not only a 'standard' ..
    it make ur site OKAY in any Browser!..
    Not all computer in the world use IE on Windows OS..

    // me? : Mac G4 at office (Safari, Firefox, Ie for Mac), WinXP Pro in cc, Firefox and IE)..

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    Yes, exactly. XHTML & CSS has become very important I must say and why shouldn't we enlighten all the webmasters/designers about this? I do hope to see some productive actions among the moderators or administrators here. Lets not give Malaysia a bad name and show to the world what kind of talented designers available in our country. Should we go international? Yes we should and that is when eye-catching design, 'bulletproof' css and xhtml are put together to show what REAL web designing is all about.

    I strongly suggest that XHTML & CSS section should be put up in this forum.

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    already has a room :
    http://webmastermalaysia.com/a/
    as notice :
    HTML & Javascript
    Forum for discussion about HTML coding, JavaScript, and other DHTML-related topics.


    Even not spesific to the XHTML and CSS.. but it was still under HTML right?
    DHTML also HTML sub..
    bla bla..

    so i think it's not efisien to make another room..

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    it's prolly better to have an independent room for this topic, since in that room u mentioned ppl discuss generally from html to all kind of scripting (even though it says html & javascript only?). besides, css and xhtml come in pair.

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    Yes, exactly. You cannot put DHTML & Javascript together with XHTML & CSS. Doesnt make any sense because it is two different thing to be discussed. You cannot say HTML is XHTML as it is made to be differentiated. XHTML is not another version of HTML. Therefore, topics regarding XHTML & CSS are best discussed in its own section. If there should be a discussion about CSS & XHTML in DHTML & Javascript section, people may not be able to look up for CSS & XHTML, and you cannot possibly aspect them to know about your 'logic' of navigation. First rule of a good website is a good navigation which I think if this is not taken seriously then this website is not a good website. It is the same as proceeding to a place without knowing where it is. And if query is made, you're appointed to another direction which you had no idea. It will be very disturbing that way. It is all about clarity.

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    Shaq, I think you've made a lot of sense. I've just joined this forum and I think any serious web design and development forum must encourage discussions on XHTML, CSS and web standards.
    Last edited by kris; 22-04-2005 at 01:25 AM.

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    What's the point anyway if there isn't much attention given or initiative by the admin/moderators of this forum to just simply put up with an independent section of CSS & XHTML. There's nothing to lose and techinically it would help all webmasters to further improve web designs together with its standards.

    And dear oh admin/moderator. I am not trying to be important here but I do hope to see some enlightenment towards web standards among webmasters. If you haven't known, there are many webdesigners-to-be craving for beautifully designed css website styles & techniques.

    Oh dear admin/moderator. What's the point of having Feedback section if you don't even have time to review and consider.

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    heh.. put your weapons away boys. i've forwarded your request to the relevant moderators. will keep you posted for updates.
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    Magical

    At last, a magic that David Blaine can't do.

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    I've been meaning to suggest such a forum for some time but looks like someone has beaten me to the punch

    Anyway, good idea, I am all for it. As a matter of fact, I have been recently trying to dabble into CSS/XHTML web standards, as you can see from my main page here:

    http://www.menj.org/

    One hundred percent in CSS! Problems with validation in XHTML though. Oh, shucks, I am so frustrated. Been hard-coding HTML for 7+ years and I still cannot get XHTML validation correct!

    - MENJ
    Last edited by MENJ; 16-05-2005 at 12:39 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MENJ
    One hundred percent in CSS! Problems with validation in XHTML though. Oh, shucks, I am so frustrated. Been hard-coding HTML for 7+ years and I still cannot get XHTML validation correct!

    - MENJ
    That's because U alway code it using Dreamweaver or software like that.. :P
    same as mee too..
    but i make some of them valid W3C standard.. not too much.. haha..

    // no news about the room by now.. the admin always bz or lazy .. i dont know..
    i dont have access to add the new room..

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